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10/05/09 at 09:59 PM

#16

In regards to IBGA judges, I hope you were just making a general statement about the judges. I happen to no some very competent IBGA & ABGA judges, and would trust their judgement any day as to a true Boer Meat Goat. You would have to paint the same color on a whole lot of ABGA judges and yet you don't mention that fact. I appreciate Bubba Don's thoughts on the matter, but again the whole point is to help the Boer Goat industry. Have we lost sight that it is for meat production and all that it entails? It seems to me, if there were more competition ( ABGA & IBGA) available to show folks that it would cause each to step up their program. I think we would all be surprised if we start looking at things historically, for instance take a look at who dominates the ABGA Nationals every year, or take a look at the last five years of say San Antonio Rodeo & Livestock Show (Open & Jr. Boer Goat Shows), is this to say these people had the best goats or again does politics (money) enter the picture. You definitely open a can or worms to point people to look at history. You want like what you see. What would the point be to go to any show? Politics and money seem to guide the course of events.

BubbaDon
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10/08/09 at 05:59 AM

#17

The American Boer Goat is not a meat goat. It is a pretty animal made by the good Lord to look at, not to eat. That is why we have the Boer Goat Associations, so we can keep up with the breeders who are breeding the prettiest goats.In the scheme of things, this is not the way it was intended, but that is the way it turned out. But in the near future I think we will return to the way it was intended to be.The production sales are starting to bear this out,prices of animals are slowly but surely getting back to meat goat prices.They have gone from $2000, to $1000 to $500. Next year we might be able to afford to eat them. Yum, yum, I can't hardly wait.In the mean time, I think I will go out and look at my pretty goats.
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10/11/09 at 02:51 PM

#18

When we agreed to be super's of our first show, I called dozens of people and asked what makes a good show. The resounding answer was "an organized and professional show." Honestly, there are some shows we go to that are in dumps and it doesn't matter as long as the management runs it organized and friendly. LOL If you really think about the shows that you go to that you really enjoy - it is CHEAP entry fees, reasonable starting times, good judges, and if you have juniors - junior-friendly classes.

Families just love classes that are oriented to their kids. When you have a showmanship division, divide it down to age-appropriate levels. Let those little tiny kids get in there and show a goat - but send a senior kid in with each little kid to help them learn how to show and still be "big kids" at the same time. Prizes for kids are great - but I sincerely don't think that prizes for adults are necessary. Most of us are showing for points and competing for the love of competition. Anything else is icing on the cake, but not a necessity.

I'm really curious about the ABGA/IBGA dual sanctioning show. Is that possible? I didn't know you could do that and it sounds like a really good idea. Please post more if you have info about that!

e3farms
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10/12/09 at 11:12 AM

#19

Have not been here for awhile, pretty good response's.

As for the IntlBGA, things are much better there then I think alot give credit. Their money situation is under control. Last years IntlBGA Nationals made them enough money to pay for next years, their registrations are up. I have been to several of their shows and it is alot of fun, less stressful then other shows, win or lose, I have been too. The IntlBGA has a much better family atmosphere about them. Some of the politics are getting ridicules, in both, just it is not as bad in the IntlBGA in my opinion.

If the animals in the IntlBGA are so bad, why do people in the ABGA complain when at a show, they get beat by an IntlBGA animal they complain, it's an ABGA judge, judging using ABGA rules?

If using a dual sanctioned judge is a bad thing is that to say that ABGA judges are no better?

If we all are such good judges ourselves, why do judges need to be sanctioned by either association, just pull someone from the stands and let'em judge. (Just poking fun) All judges must follow standards, just some do it better then others. There are alot of people that pick their judges and that is fine, myself when I go to a show, I could care less who the judge is. I went to college on a judging scholarship, made the judging team all 4 years, was always in the top 10 individual at every contest, and realize that judging is one persons opinion that day. I have no interest in being a judge, I want to keep the friends I have.

The show that is being planed was excepted pretty well by both associations. One of the members of the show committee of the ABGA, sent me an email and said they would push hard for this to happen, an officer in the IntlBGA said they would love to see this happen. This show is not to pit one association against the other, but to bring like minded people together for a good time. This show will really be just like going to a major show where anyone can show, such as Houston, Fort Worth or the NAILE. The only difference is that you would get points which ever association you are in.

Thanks for all the ideas, the show will be one of three places, Fort Worth, Stephenville or Midland's Horseshoe Arena, all three have excellent facilities. We are looking forward for more ideas.

Thanks,

Rex

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10/12/09 at 03:14 PM

#20

Boy, do I have a plan! Short of letting me pick the judges. Let's have two shows, one day, with a Judge from each association in the ring at the same time, judging for their respective associations. WOW! What a novel idea.
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e3farms
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10/12/09 at 04:47 PM

#21

Thanks for your "novel idea" but I think we will stick with 2 open shows and one Jr. show in two days with points being reported to the respective associations.

You are welcome to be there, I see that you have pictures posted on your website from both associations, so you must agree with some of the judges??

Thanks for your suggestion though.

Rex

P.S. If we happen to make any monies at this show, after expenses, they will be donated equally between the two Jr. Associations. May not be much, but it beats a sharp stick in the eye, if you know what I mean. (Biblicly speaking)

By the way anyone involved in putting this show on can not show or have anyone show their animals at the show. Would not want anyone to think there are any politics on our part.

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10/13/09 at 06:52 AM

#22

My question is which set of Breed Standards will be used? The ABGA and IBGA have some differences in them small but enough to mean something.

e3farms
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10/13/09 at 11:08 AM

#23

We are on!!
Just got the approval from ABGA
show will be around March or April

e3farms
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10/13/09 at 01:33 PM

#24

To answer the question about breed standards, the ABGA wants thier rules followed and I will asume the IntlBGA will say the same so, each animal will be judged on the assocation they are entered under. ABGA goats will need to meet ABGA standards IntlBGA will meet thier standards and dual will meet both. That is why we are using dual sanctioned judges, they know the standards of both. We will have colored numbers to let the judge know.
We will have more in a boer blast later. We have had such a great response to this that we are having to lean toward Fort Worth? Keep the questions coming we want everyone to feel comfortable and be at the show. From what we can see now the classes are going to be big.
Thanks to all
Rex

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10/13/09 at 02:12 PM

#25

I was told judges had to choose one association but couldn't do both. Has that changed? If so, when?

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10/14/09 at 07:05 AM

#26

At one time a Judge could possess a dual certification;however, the IBGA Board voted to disallow dual Judging certifications. Typical BOD out of touch with reality and the true needs of the membership.

e3farms
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10/14/09 at 09:09 AM

#27

That was voted on sometime back and passed that they could hold and judge in both. As I have said eairlier, I think some would be supprised how the IntlBGA is coming along now.

Thanks for you input, I have actually gotten that question several times

Rex

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10/15/09 at 06:02 AM

#28

When you schedule your 2 open shows, would you please consider scheduling the ABGA Open show on the first day.
Thanks

e3farms
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10/15/09 at 09:55 AM

#29

Both open Shows are ABGA and IntlBGA shown togather, it will be handled just like any major show. You will not know who is ABGA or IntlBGA animals.

So I hope you plan on staying for both days

We are planning a Open Show and Jr. Show the first day and a open show the second day.