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e3farms
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    09/25/09 at 04:31 PM
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No matter which organization sanctions the show, what things to you make up a good show? (besides winning)
prizes, free meal, good wash racks, heated and cooled area, good pens, easy excess, friendly family atmosphere....
What things would draw you back to a show?

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So how about a dual show that would give you points in both ABGA and Inter.BGA with the same animal in the same show, if your animal is dual registered. Useing only judges that were dual certified in both. Having 2 open shows and 2 Jr. shows in 2 days. (One of each each day)
firecreek
Registered: 06/30/09
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    09/25/09 at 04:57 PM
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We like paved parking, judging rings inside, good pens, room for trim stands etc and lots of electric outlets that work!
Judy Shores

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    09/25/09 at 09:15 PM
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Free Beer, Dancing Girls and BBQ and any show that excludes or has a public hanging of Wes Hallman.

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    09/25/09 at 09:18 PM
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I like Cash and Buckles. Forget the cheesy trophies and ribbons.

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    09/25/09 at 09:35 PM
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We also like to win cash, door prizes, etc.  It kind of makes the trip expenses a little easier to handle.  Facilities are a big plus.  Time of year is always a factor for us, too.  If we are going to take off work and drive to a show, we want it to be worth our while, maybe 2-3 shows, instead of just one.

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    09/26/09 at 05:18 AM
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The choice of judges, travel time, organization of the people putting on the show.
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    09/26/09 at 10:12 AM
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We also like the cash prizes and good facilities, and more than one show. This helps make it worth your while if you can have a chance to win back a little premium money (may not pay for all expenses), but certainly helps if you are lucky enough to get paid in the 1st-5th place. We have experience with three different shows, one each day of a weekend and or two in one day, and have offered cash prizes. This not only draws larger participants, along with having good honest judges, which is becoming very important also, but numbers in classes helps towards ennoblement points, which is very important to many! We have talked to many lately,that due to the economy, they will not attend any more shows, unless there is cash prizes involved !

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    10/02/09 at 02:10 AM
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It is almost manditory that there be two shows/one day anymore. And regarding ABGA/IBGA the same day,same place, that will never happen. It has been tried once or twice, talked about a time or two. The ABGA Directors are nearly all show people and have no interest in the IBGA Show Program.
The Junior Show is good for the kids, and especially good for the parents and grandparents who have kids that can show them. Double exposure. But it is a long day for those who have no Juniors. And it used to be(and may still be) a junior could show in the Junior, then turn around and show the open, and to the same Judge. This may have changed.
Prize money is good, but who in the world is in the Boer Goat business for the money. Why would anyone pulling a $18000 trailer behind a $40000 diesel pickup, feeding $18 a sack show feed want a cash payout for a show? Plus, you always have to walk at least a half mile to pick up your check!

As to show facilities, wash racks, etc.,I make the motion that we write into the show rules that the animals have to be shown in their natural out of the pasture state so all the little imperfections cannot be hidden and this will solve the wash rack/ electrical outlet problem. Any seconds? (I think some are already doing this)


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    10/02/09 at 06:51 AM
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Don,
Thanks for Putting on a GOOD Show in Belton, we enjoyed it very much, it was done right. Rex, check with Don for suggestions. Belton had a crusty, old announcer that needed replacing would be our only recommended change.
TT
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    10/02/09 at 09:50 PM
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I hope your wrong Bubba Don about a dual show never getting off the ground, it seems like a win win situation for every boer goat owner.
As you say, it is expensive to go down the road to the shows, so if I can go to a dual sanctioned show under a dual sanctioned judge and receive dual points, then I'm there. Any hobby is expensive, if you own a boat & camper, you are spending money (what about anything to do with horses$$). Politics aside (it's a fact of life), showing goats should be fun, if it's not anymore, then we need a new hobby. As for the young people, if we don't get them interested, then where is the industry headed. As for a good show, their are no perfect facilities but, there are a lot of people work hard to put on a good show. I agree with Windy Acres, Belton was a well run show. Congrats to you Bubba Don and all that made it possible that we could have somewhere to go show off the best of our herds. I suppose it will be up to the ABGA & IBGA membership to let their voices be heard if they want this dual show, dual sanction judge, dual points to get off the ground. My question to you Bubba Don what do you see as the pros & cons. Why would it be a bad idea? Why would the sitting boards be against it? I hope you will be nice, I love the debate, please be nice. It would be interesting to hear other people's ideas.

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    10/04/09 at 01:14 PM
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Once upon a time, I belonged to all three Boer Goat Associations. The USBGA for one year, the IBGA for three. I joined the IBGA to be able to show at their sanctioned shows, and between them and the ABGA could show nearly every weekend if I wanted to. And it was a little less competition at the IBGA Shows, or at least appeared that way to me. But I slowly came to the conclusion that there were two different sets of politics to deal with, and two different sets of "mind sets". The IBGA, in my mind, turned into a place for folks who got crossways with the other associations to go to, and were welcomed with open arms. They got into financial trouble, and I decided that one strong association was the answer, and that association was/is the ABGA, not necessairly be cause it was the best as far as showing, but because of its registry. In spite of the many short comings of the ABGA, the Registry, for the most part is alive and well. Just this last week, they caught a mistake I made (after having my application for a month) that I would never have believed they would have caught.
For the folks who have kids and grandkids that are  really into the goats and the shows, my hats are off to you. For those of you who are using the Juniors and the Junior Program as just another marketing tool, shame on you.
In the ABGA, I would hazzard a guess that a majority of the Board has a vested interest in the Enoblement Program, and are involved in breeding ,showing, and selling offspring of enobled animals.Why would they be interested in teaming up with IBGA for anything? Contact your director and see where he or she stands on this. I know where mine stands.
And lastly, the Belton Show was a disaster. Last year was good, this year was not. It was late starting, and due to this, was late in ending. Some folks entered in both shows left after the first show because of this. The only bright spot were the few classes that had enough competition in them to be seriuosly considered competition. Some had at least five or six animals that on another day under another judge could have won the blue.
It is a real challange to choose two Judges that the majority of the contestants will feel are fair, non political, and impartial. Attendence is a pretty good guage of whether or not the right judge was selected.

Don


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    10/04/09 at 01:44 PM
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Good Post!!!!!

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    10/05/09 at 08:12 AM
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Historically, if you research and evaluate the Show data in regard to IBGA Shows you will find there is less interest, lower numbers, incompetent Judges, decreased quality and less competition. I cannot think of one positive incentive to show in an IBGA Show;therefore it would be a total waste of time & money to the show promoters. Your research results will also prove that an any IBGA show that  follows an ABGA will lose money as most Exhibitors will leave after the ABGA show as not to degrade their show strings and invite ridicule and shame to their herd. As an exhibitor, the only real incentive to show, is if your looking for an easy win for marketing results. Point in case: IBGA Nationals. Then again the goat masses have no respect for an IBGA win;therefore, it is pointless. These are the facts and they are indisputable.

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    10/05/09 at 02:27 PM
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Dang Don,
Did u forget to take your medication again? We still had a good time in Belton in spite of it all. I did not know about a disaster, nor did my fellow exhibitors mention of one. It was a hot, long day, but we still enjoyed being there and so did the others I talked to. So accept my complimentary and kind words anyway.
TT
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    10/05/09 at 05:01 PM
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There were about four of five individuals, who in their short sightedness, destroyed the IBGA. Two years ago it had a decent chance to compete with the ABGA, and even though number two, still commanded a little respect. Then the Nationals were canceled, and people who knew better took a fact finding junket to check out whatever, under the guise of forming some sort of DNA Program. At a time they were having a hard time just paying the bills. And one of the "respected" members had screwed other members through a private business deal, and the leadership says. we cannot throw water on the fire until the barn has burned, or close the gate until the animals have escaped.
One of the officers in the IBGA told me that they could not accept the term "For cause" in sanctioning a member who had been disinfranchised from the ABGA. Therefore, I left the IBGA "for cause".
But in all fairness, the ABGA has a rubber stamp that they now automatically  stamp all Rule M complaints with that reads "Without Merit", and this has almost completely done away with Rule M complaints. And this will indirectly hurt the IBGA, as some folks will now have o no reason to go "over there."



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